tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post4605779000110596673..comments2023-11-02T01:02:45.271-07:00Comments on The Theology of Laundry: I Met A “Woman Priest” The Other Day. On the Sidewalk. This is How it Went.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-26931356574436103412013-06-26T12:14:56.375-07:002013-06-26T12:14:56.375-07:00Nettie, the key words there is "for some"...Nettie, the key words there is "for some" which of course, means, not for all (such as the examples you mentioned). Single-hood is a very holy state, and a vocation also, as I'm sure you know. I was just using one example of a different state in life, one which, of course, I am personally most familiar.MNicholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250777713893608026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-28884693480358009592013-06-23T14:02:35.196-07:002013-06-23T14:02:35.196-07:00I was with you right up until.....
Ours is a diff...I was with you right up until.....<br /><br /><i>Ours is a different, but just as important “priesthood.” Among other things, for some it means bringing new life into the world and nurturing it in the Faith. Yeah. How about them, apples?</i><br /><br />So where does that leave those of us women who are single, NOT called to the religious life, AND infertile? Looks like we're absolutely useless to the Church from that point of view.nettiemachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00835731271577804010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-664271785913642762013-05-01T14:41:25.503-07:002013-05-01T14:41:25.503-07:00Right now there are areas of the country where no ...Right now there are areas of the country where no priest is available to administer the sacraments. In many parishes there are third world "green card" priests imported from India and Africa who can barely speak English. Some rural priests are forced to travel to do 4 masses in a 100 mile radius. Many are 75 and over unable to retire because they know ther is no one to replace them. Slowly as these women who are serving God in out of the way places delivering the sacrament to those who would go without, show that they are perfectly capable, they will in time become accepted.PMR41https://www.blogger.com/profile/10545580318575967841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-39069331575672898642013-02-27T08:39:42.836-08:002013-02-27T08:39:42.836-08:00You actually did not meet a "woman priest&quo...You actually did not meet a "woman priest" as there is no such thing or person, at least in the Catholic Church, Roman or Eastern. What you met was a heretical woman who claims to be a priest and who is not only not a priest but by virtue of the automatic excommunication that took place at the moment of her participation in the heretical and schismatic act, she is now no longer Catholic, either.Gregnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-33393999699721740332013-02-26T21:08:13.617-08:002013-02-26T21:08:13.617-08:00I think a lot of the urge to come down on these ga...I think a lot of the urge to come down on these gals comes from a general frustration that Catholics have toward the current state of our culture and a desire to have our church act in a more unified fashion to address the world's ills. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-87116683652801555222013-02-26T19:37:33.545-08:002013-02-26T19:37:33.545-08:00Marv stated:'To be clear, I am not here saying...Marv stated:'To be clear, I am not here saying we should ordain women to the priesthood. I'm just saying, time will tell what God's will really is'.<br /><br />2000 years has already told us the answer!<br /><br />He who marries the signs of the times soon finds oneself divorced.<br />Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-1148995551288200632013-02-26T15:41:45.751-08:002013-02-26T15:41:45.751-08:00Agree, agree, agree about the education. You hit ...Agree, agree, agree about the education. You hit the nail on the head. The waters of academia have been muddy for so long. I am hopeful that in the next couple of decades we will see a change as more informed, young academics take over religious formation in dioceses and universities everywhere.MNicholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250777713893608026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-23841977548230056042013-02-26T15:39:41.599-08:002013-02-26T15:39:41.599-08:00Have you considered having her read some of mulier...Have you considered having her read some of mulieris dignitatem?<br />http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_15081988_mulieris-dignitatem_en.html<br />A beautiful document. <br />No, there is no favoritism going on. As Crude mentioned above, roles between the genders are distinct. Informedly so. That isn't to say that one is better than the other. That isn't to say there aren't some overlap abilities possessed by both genders (a woman may be fine public speaker, and a man a very capable nurturer), but they still are different. I would say the priesthood is more suited to men exactly because a priest's maleness becomes completed and completes that role. He stands in persona Christi. A woman's femaleness is completed and simultaneously completes the role she is called to, whether lay or religious. Both are very necessary and equally dignified roles. Where would Jesus be without Mary, or Mary without Jesus? Did God love Jesus more than Mary? Of course not, as it says in scripture (from Christ's own mouth)"You loved them even as you loved me." All are loved equally, in their distinctive roles. The more authentic we are in living our true identities (not just the ones we imagine ourselves to have like some of our misled "women priest" sisters) the more we will set the world on fire.MNicholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250777713893608026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-56525810684972612582013-02-26T15:24:11.785-08:002013-02-26T15:24:11.785-08:00I'm going to have to respectfully disagree, Jo...I'm going to have to respectfully disagree, Jordan. I don't think Msgr. was pointing out the irony of the set in a vainglorious, 'dance on their crumbling ruins' way (it seems they're doing enough dancing and singing on them themselves, anyway). I think he was merely pointing out what history proves about the Church: empires and heresies rise and fall and then crumble, but she perseveres. In which case, I agree the set is appropriate. Anyone can be cynical, but few can actually recognize a profound metaphor, which is closer to what Msgr. was doing in his response. Respectfully,MNicholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250777713893608026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-84085992324620982772013-02-26T13:59:31.598-08:002013-02-26T13:59:31.598-08:00Dissent from Church authority, improperly wielded,...Dissent from Church authority, improperly wielded, is something canonized saints have been doing. Dissent from Church teaching is something the canonized saints have left to heresiarchs.thefederalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17514099991587503764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-22726614941423255662013-02-26T11:59:44.208-08:002013-02-26T11:59:44.208-08:00Hi Marissa,
I am a man and make fun of the "...Hi Marissa, <br /><br />I am a man and make fun of the "Women Priest" thing very often. That video was something hilarious to me, because of the mere fact that it would be impossible to ordain a women. The Church simply does not have that authority. Anyway, I agree with you that we should treat these misguided women with respect as we should with anyone else. I would also like to say that I think the bigger problem is education. There are a lot of Catholics, even some devout that think Women priesthood is possible and they support it. This is something that scares me more, because we already know lukewarm Catholics believe what they want, but practicing Catholics? They hopefully just don't know better. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-62549038468048024682013-02-26T11:18:47.043-08:002013-02-26T11:18:47.043-08:00"In May of 1994 John Paul II promulgated whi..."In May of 1994 John Paul II promulgated which declared definitely that the Catholic priesthood is reserved for males. That document nonetheless contained some language that was difficult to interpret. As a result, Cardinal Ratzinger made an official clarification () in November of 1995, making it quite clear that the Church has taught infallibly on this matter."<br /><br />From <a href="http://www.ewtn.com/library/DOCTRINE/MALEPRIE.TXT" rel="nofollow">EWTN.</a><br /><br />View the wikipedia entry on this subject:<br /><br />"Whatever argument is used in favor of the priestly ordination of women, there is the problem of reconciling this position with Ordinatio Sacerdotalis. Based on the statements from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the official point of view is that Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, without itself being ex cathedra,[46] authoritatively and bindingly teaches that: (1) the Church cannot ordain women as priests due to divine law; and that (2) this doctrine has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal magisterium. A dissenting view is that, according to section 25 of the Second Vatican Council's Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium, the "ordinary and universal magisterium" is exercised by "the Pope in union with the bishops". In other words, according to the Congregation, it is an instance of the Pope "publicising" what he and the other bishops, as the ordinary and universal magisterium' have already consistently taught through the ages."<br /><br />Yes, there are people who claim that this is still 'up in the air'. But you can find people who will claim that the resurrection of Christ is an optional belief for Christians. It's not really something to take seriously.<br /><br />It looks like time has already told us the answer we're waiting for. At this point it's more people waiting around, hoping the answer changes.Crudehttp://crudeideas.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-14244022283214307342013-02-26T11:13:37.820-08:002013-02-26T11:13:37.820-08:00By asking her if a difference in ability automatic...By asking her if a difference in ability automatically cashes out to inferiority.<br /><br />If it does, then men and women are automatically inferior to each other in some respects, because they are - demonstrably - different, and some do things the other cannot. (Pregnancy, impregnating, being some of the obvious ones - but there's more.)<br /><br />If it's not, then merely pointing out a difference in roles and capabilities does nothing to establish her claim.<br /><br />But that's a response that deals with the intellectual end of the argument. Impressions and feelings don't necessarily respond to those, even if successful.Crudehttp://crudeideas.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-39760985324804299872013-02-26T11:11:12.191-08:002013-02-26T11:11:12.191-08:00Sorry, Marv, but it's been definitively closed...Sorry, Marv, but it's been definitively closed to change (from the above-linked Catholic Answers article):<br /><br />Further, in 1994 Pope John Paul II formally declared that the Church does not have the power to ordain women. He stated, "Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church’s judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force. Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Luke 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful" (OrdinatioSacerdotalis 4). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-21066033668109322212013-02-26T10:56:48.980-08:002013-02-26T10:56:48.980-08:002 Peter 2:21 It would have been better for them no...2 Peter 2:21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.<br /><br />Jude 1:3<br />Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.<br /><br />Can't add anymore than what the Scriptures say...<br /><br /><br />HPonderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17768993182503009439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-67834435814762901652013-02-26T10:54:19.223-08:002013-02-26T10:54:19.223-08:00Christ's Mother, Mary, was not a priest. And l...Christ's Mother, Mary, was not a priest. And look what she contributed to her Son's mission. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-46700857013429137252013-02-26T10:40:43.679-08:002013-02-26T10:40:43.679-08:00Wow. Though the esteemed author did a great job i...Wow. Though the esteemed author did a great job in responding already, I'll throw in here as well. First of all, the author did not once call the lady a Catholic. The lady self-described as a "Catholic priest," and from then on Mrs. Nichols never repeats the label. Second, "correct the ignorant" is NOT one of the works of mercy. I think you are confusing "admonish the sinner" and "INSTRUCT the ignorant," the latter of which was probably unnecessary (which womenpriest doesn't know full well what she does?) and the the former is an action only to be undertaken with great care and prudence, lest the opposite effect precipitates from hasty or judgmental efforts. Finally, and most importantly, NO ONE deserves disdain. To believe otherwise is contrary to the fundamental Church teaching that every human life has dignity. We can disagree with their choices, but these womenpriests do NOT deserve our contempt.Tim Klugenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-58722675034408561192013-02-26T08:54:47.268-08:002013-02-26T08:54:47.268-08:00Dissent from Church authority is something that ca...Dissent from Church authority is something that canonized saints have been doing for centuries, right down to Saint Paul who challenged St. Peter directly on questions of gentiles observing Jewish law. Church statements on the ordination of women have not been made infallible doctrine yet, and so they do not have the full weight of a teaching that we cannot in good conscience reject. Time will tell if these women are right or wrong. As the gospel story says, they will fade away if they are not of God. If they are of God, then nothing we do or say can stop them.<br />To be clear, I am not here saying we should ordain women to the priesthood. I'm just saying, time will tell what God's will really is.Marvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949160885178717888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-44401131633398183512013-02-26T08:19:21.318-08:002013-02-26T08:19:21.318-08:00One young woman wrote about her Catholic upbringin...One young woman wrote about her Catholic upbringing:<br /><br />"In the Catholic Church, only men are allowed to be the pope. And bishops. And priests. And deacons. And still in many churches, only boys are allowed to be altar servers. As a young girl, I got the impression from both the secular world and my Church tradition that all people were created equal, but men were just a bit more equal."<br /><br />In other words, this young woman claims that the male-only priesthood shows that the Church sees women as inferior to men. How would you respond to her?waywardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01027409209377205921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-67992053225354878672013-02-26T04:10:33.213-08:002013-02-26T04:10:33.213-08:00As St. Augustine so accurately put it: "Love ...As St. Augustine so accurately put it: "Love the sinner and hate the sin."<br /><br />There are many people out there in this woman's position, many of them not even in the Church. They are searching for what will make them happy, but by their own choice, refuse to accept the answer they're looking for all the while. It's a classic tragedy with millions if not billions of examples.<br /><br />As the first post on here demonstrates, many people will not understand this finer distinction, and will take this as some endorsement of female pseudo-ordination, which of course a careful reading will show it is clearly not.Matthew Ogdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18420505328718302885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-46194257187344583822013-02-25T22:22:07.410-08:002013-02-25T22:22:07.410-08:00Monsignor,
It's beyond silly to suggest that ...Monsignor,<br /><br />It's beyond silly to suggest that the ruins of charred episcopal church have any relevance to the conversation whatsoever. What a willful reading of one's views into the situation! Silly fantasy. I'd expect more from a Monsignor. At the click of a button, one could peruse a great many depressing pictures of Catholic parishes that have been abandonded, fallen into disrepair and will soon be entirely forgotten all over Europe and North America. These are very depressing sights. A very old parish in my diocese was recently consigned to the wrecking ball. A number of anti-Catholics could easily take up any number of these sights and form a persuasive (seeming) message that the Faith itself is dying. <br /><br />I actually agree that "relevance" doesn't work, probably even in the short term at this point. But Catholics who feel vindicated and fill themselves with vainglory over the ruins of the liberal denominations will soon be eating their words. It isn't becoming of Christians. jordan st. francisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-75944726939549942832013-02-25T21:53:22.494-08:002013-02-25T21:53:22.494-08:00Here you go, Findingmyshoes:
http://www.catholic.c...Here you go, Findingmyshoes:<br />http://www.catholic.com/tracts/women-and-the-priesthood<br /><br />I was right. Women deaconesses were appointed but never ordained. Hope that helps!MNicholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250777713893608026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-52203594066656415922013-02-25T21:13:43.811-08:002013-02-25T21:13:43.811-08:00Next time I see her, "Anonymous," I'...Next time I see her, "Anonymous," I'll send her your way so that you can hurl as much disdain as you infallibly and mercifully deem she "deserves" at her. I already acknowledged the tragedy of her dissenting from the Church in the post. Stop reading now if this orthodox blog comes across as too soft or soppy for you. You'll find more condemning blogs than mine online to suit your tastes for sure.MNicholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250777713893608026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-23208375924732990352013-02-25T19:05:57.881-08:002013-02-25T19:05:57.881-08:00That is not true. Take some time to re-read the Go...That is not true. Take some time to re-read the Gospel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4427584755957708826.post-57489428415095828372013-02-25T19:04:24.326-08:002013-02-25T19:04:24.326-08:00She is NOT Catholic, she has been automatically ex...She is NOT Catholic, she has been automatically excommunicated by her actions, and you would have done her a service by reminding her of that instead of playing along with her little fantasy. Women like her most certainly deserve our disdain, and our pity. It has nothing to do with our own sinfulness. One of the acts of mercy is to correct the ignorant. You did her a disservice by not calling her out on her errors, and you are doing the same disservice to all readers of this blog by acting as if these 'wymin priests' are in line with the Church. I am shocked that the usually orthodox site that I linked here from has linked to this post. Looks like another one bites the dust.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com